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Bonus Sample: Science Is Not a Religion

Conspirituality

Derek Beres, Matthew Remski, Julian Walker

Social Sciences, Science, Society & Culture, Philosophy

4.02.2K Ratings

🗓️ 17 January 2022

⏱️ 9 minutes

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Summary

In 2017, Charles Eisenstein addressed the SAND (Science And Non-Duality) Conference on our "obsession with measurement." A clip of that talk, published in 2019, put forward the question Is Science a Religion? Charles answered yes, offering a number of supposed parallels.Only—most of them don't hold water. Derek responds to his talk, breaking down Charles's analysis point-by-point. He also bookends the episode with clips from a thinker who brilliantly drew parallels between science and religion without conflating them: Oliver Sacks.Show NotesIs Science a Religion? — Charles EisensteinOliver Sacks on Humans and Myth-making  -- -- --Support us on PatreonPre-order Conspirituality: How New Age Conspiracy Theories Became a Health Threat: America | Canada Follow us on Instagram | Twitter: Derek | Matthew | JulianOriginal music by EarthRise SoundSystem Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

This is a Glassbox Media Podcast.

0:08.6

Hello, Matthew here from the Conspirituality Podcast team.

0:12.4

The following is a sample of the bonus episode we produce every week for our Patreon subscribers.

0:18.6

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0:23.8

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0:31.2

Thanks for listening and your support, which keeps us ad-free and editorially independent.

0:38.0

Now, let's go through a little lightning round through his claims about how science is now a form of religion.

0:44.4

Now, science itself says, no, no, no, we're not a religion.

0:48.7

We are the opposite of religion. Religion takes things on faith, but we ask the world.

0:55.6

We perform an experiment. We don't take anything on faith. We're objective.

1:00.1

What goes missing here is that this objectivity is based on, is itself a meta,

1:07.8

it's based on metaphysical assumptions that are unprovable, just like any religion.

1:12.6

Among them, objectivity, that there's a world outside of ourselves that is separate from our asking of the questions

1:21.5

that our questions don't change the reality that we ask about.

1:24.2

I'm sorry, but I tried to understand what the hell that last word salad meant.

1:29.0

And I'm going to leave it to you to rewind and give it a go. DM me if you find an answer.

1:34.7

That said, metaphysical assumptions that can't be proven.

1:39.6

Arthur Schopenhauer wrote, every man takes the limits of his own fuel division for the limits of the world,

1:45.9

which is effectively my biggest problem with conspiraturalists in general.

1:50.0

They pretend that experts outside of their own domain don't know what they're doing.

1:54.6

Hey, Joe Rogan. Good science is the opposite of metaphysics.

1:58.8

And if you really don't believe that, then Charles, don't ever take an antibiotic,

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