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Conspirituality

Bonus Sample: Poetry As Resistance & Embodied Spirituality

Conspirituality

Derek Beres, Matthew Remski, Julian Walker

Social Sciences, Science, Society & Culture, Philosophy

4.02.2K Ratings

🗓️ 25 May 2026

⏱️ 6 minutes

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Summary

Across continents and centuries outsider poets have made a bold stand for the life of the body, contemplative ecstasy, sexual liberation, and the sacredness of nature, often in the face of religious and political repression.  From Rajasthan to New York, Ancient Persia to London, and Swansea in Wales to Balkh in Afghanistan, ecstatic poets have broken taboos around sex, death, gender, social caste, and religious dogma. In a follow-up to last week’s interview with Britt Hartley of No-Nonsense Spirituality, Julian reflects on how poetry has always lit up his inner world as a form of embodied spirituality that transcends religious frameworks or supernatural metaphysics. He shares favorite pieces that span 800 years and three continents from Mirabai, Walt Whitman, Mary Oliver, Kabir, David Whyte, Dylan Thomas, and Rumi, along with stories from their lives, and his own. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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I take the path that ecstatic human beings have taken for centuries.

0:07.0

I don't steal money. I don't hit anyone. What will you charge me with? I have felt the swaying

0:14.0

of the elephant's shoulders. And now, you want me to climb up on a jackass? Please, try to be serious.

0:23.0

These were the lines that first introduced me to Mirabai, a mystic poet from the 16th century in Rajasthan in India.

0:31.6

Her passionate intelligence and sarcastic humor grabbed me right away.

0:36.0

And any time I recited, that last line gets a good laugh,

0:39.9

usually from the women in the room. Today, I want to share my experience of poetry as a form of

0:46.6

contemplative and creative resistance. To do that, I will draw on some excerpts from some of my

0:53.5

favorite poets.

0:55.3

What I've especially been drawn to in this domain is poetry that is a radical embrace of being human of the body,

1:03.4

of selfhood beyond cultural conditioning, religious dogma, or social pressure.

1:08.8

Indeed, of what can be described as an organic sense of the

1:12.7

sacred, discovered, celebrated, and even fought for within the natural world.

1:20.3

In line with that theme, it helps to know that Mirabai was born into a royal family, but

1:27.3

eschewed a life of comfortable privilege for a

1:30.8

devotional spiritual path, usually only followed by lower caste people, and those were usually men.

1:39.1

She had an arranged marriage, which she refused to consummate, saying that only Krishna was her true beloved.

1:47.0

And when her husband was then killed in battle, she refused the custom of that time of Sati,

1:53.3

in which widows were supposed to throw themselves onto their dead husband's funeral pyre and die with

2:00.5

him.

2:03.6

She associated with sadus, you know, those ascetics with the dreadlocks who are covered in ashes from the funeral pires

2:08.6

and have very few possessions and just wear a loincloth. And she even took a low-cast spiritual

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