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Conspirituality

Bonus Sample: Mark Carney’s Secular Catholicism

Conspirituality

Derek Beres, Matthew Remski, Julian Walker

Social Sciences, Science, Society & Culture, Philosophy

4.02.2K Ratings

🗓️ 16 February 2026

⏱️ 5 minutes

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Summary

Mark Carney is a devout Catholic, and his economic vision came from a challenge posed by Pope Francis. Matthew walks through the contradictions of Carney’s economic spirituality.  Show Notes Values by Mark Carney | Penguin Random House Canada  Pope Francis says he wasn't offended by 'communist crucifix' gift  The Catholic Case for Communism - America Magazine  Pope Francis: “If I See the Gospel in a Sociological Way Only, Yes, I Am a Communist, and So Too Is Jesus” - The American TFP  Exclusive: Pope Francis disusses Ukraine, U.S. bishops and more - America Magazine Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hello everyone. This is Conspiruality, where we investigate the intersections and roots of

0:08.1

conspiracy theories and spiritual influence to uncover cults, pseudoscience, and authoritarian

0:12.2

extremism. My name is Matthew Remski. You can follow myself, Derek and Julian, on Blue Sky. The podcast

0:19.1

is on Instagram and threads under its own handle.

0:22.6

You can also find me on YouTube and TikTok and upscrolled at Anti-Fascist Dad.

0:29.8

Short bonus episode today in which I'll be flagging some of the religious influences buried within Mark Carney's technocratic charisma. Mark Carney is a devout Catholic.

0:40.2

He opens his big 20-22 book with an anecdote about receiving a spiritual mission from Pope Francis.

0:47.4

So I'll get back to that in detail. The book is called Values, Building a Better World for All,

0:53.8

and it's Carney's meditation on the perennial tension between market values and human values.

0:59.3

He makes the incredibly unoriginal observation that modern society has mistakenly allowed the former to override the latter.

1:06.9

To explain this logic, he surprisingly relies on Marxist theories of surplus labor value,

1:13.1

the instability of markets based on profit motives, and the tendency for monopolies to become authoritarian.

1:19.6

But because in his analysis, the state socialist projects of the 20th century were all irredeemable failures, his medicine is liberal.

1:29.8

Markets are social constructs that must be grounded in solidarity, responsibility, and resilience to effectively serve the public good.

1:35.4

He talks about a purpose-driven approach to capitalism that prioritizes long-term goals,

1:40.9

such as climate sustainability and social equity. His critique of state socialism

1:46.3

is pretty standard capitalist exceptionalism. Managed economies, he says, are inefficient,

1:52.9

hostile to innovation and creativity. He thinks Smith's invisible hand has proven superior to planned

1:59.2

production, and he agrees with Fukuyama that the

2:02.3

tear-down of the Berlin Wall marked the end of capitalist socialist struggle.

2:06.3

He's even a bit of a dialecticist in that the problem, he says, is partly that the collapse of

2:11.8

communist regimes at the end of the 1980s reinforced a global shift toward market fundamentalism,

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