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Conspirituality

Bonus Sample: Kelly Brogan’s Divine Dungeon: Pt 1 (feat/Esme Providence Brown)

Conspirituality

Derek Beres, Matthew Remski, Julian Walker

Spirituality, Social Sciences, Religion & Spirituality, Science, Philosophy, Society & Culture

4.22K Ratings

🗓️ 13 January 2025

⏱️ 5 minutes

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Summary

Matthew sits down with sex-work veteran and social justice advocate Esme Providence Brown for the first of two chinwags about our famous New Age / wellness antifeminist, Kelly Brogan, and how her craven politics bolster the permission structure for Trumpian misogyny. They track her political and aesthetic journey from labcoat-wearer to wellness pole dancer to BDSM cosplayer—a spiral through deepening layers of appropriation, disavowal of responsibility, and cringe-tastic ideas. This is only Part One! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hello, everyone. Welcome to Conspiruality, where we investigate the intersections of conspiracy theories and spiritual influence to uncover cults, pseudoscience, and authoritarian extremism. I'm Matthew Remski.

0:14.7

I am Esme Providence Brown. Yes, our fearless correspondent from the world of sex work and social justice returns. Thanks so much for coming back.

0:24.4

I'm so happy to be here. We are on Instagram and threads at Conspiratuality Podcast.

0:30.2

Or sorry, Conspiratuality Pod. And you can access all of our episodes ad-free plus our Monday bonus episodes on Patreon or just the bonus episodes via Apple

0:39.0

subscriptions. We really appreciate your support. Esme, how are you doing? And can you reintroduce

0:46.9

yourself really quickly and remind us of all of your previous studies with us?

0:51.6

Absolutely. So I was a sex worker, specifically in professional

0:56.9

domination and kink services, erotic body work for 20 years, off and on, mostly based in New

1:04.9

York City. And then I entered into the world of yoga teacher training and that whole adventure and journey.

1:14.9

And now I am writing a memoir, reflecting on all of that.

1:19.5

And I think that a lot of my experience is really mirror what conspirtuality has been doing for the last four years in terms of just bringing to the surface some of the

1:28.5

some of the very important questions of where those two spaces intersect.

1:33.8

Today, we're looking at somebody that I know is fascinating to you, but also has been at the heart

1:41.0

of, you know, the beginning, the origin story of this podcast, actually.

1:45.7

That's Kelly Brogan. So our episode is called Kelly Brogan's Divine Dungeon, and we'll talk about

1:50.8

why that is. And we started planning this out a long time ago, but so much has happened.

1:58.1

So much has happened. Especially through the fall campaign.

2:02.5

And so I just want to run down a few of the low lights in relation to our topic today that I think make it even more, I would say, pressing.

2:13.1

Absolutely.

2:13.5

So first of all, the Harris campaign.

2:35.9

You know, she lost. And one of the key things that happened was that there was a failure to mobilize again around the Dodd decision. You know, there was this open door opportunity to really seize the day with regard to codifying Roe v. Wade,

2:37.3

and that wasn't really taken.

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