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Two weeks ago, four members of the Grenin family were sentenced to prison for selling bleach.

The problem isn't that they packaged in sold chlorine dioxide, which is basically industrial strength bleach.

The issue is that they set a cured COVID among a whole host of other diseases.

Now to understand how we got to this place, we need to talk about Jim Humble.

Getting an exact read on this character is pretty difficult, mostly because his website is pretty ambiguous,

and the videos that I've been able to find of the man speaking seem rather ancient,

and often sound like they were run through a washing machine.

Now he's still alive, he's not that old, but there's not a lot going on with him these days, at least from what I can tell.

So basically, Humble is a former Scientologist who claims he can talk to aliens,

and he also believes himself to possess a healing touch akin to Jesus.

Now this origin story on his website offers a few clues, however,

and it represents much of the thinking behind the naturalistic fallacy,

which is the idea that anything natural is good.

And we've talked about that often because it often leads to conspiratorial thinking.

Here it is.

I want to tell you about a breakthrough that can save your life, or the life of a loved one.

In 1996, while on a gold mining expedition in South America,

I discovered that chlorine dioxide quickly eradicates malaria.

Since that time, it has proven to restore partial or full health

to hundreds of thousands of people suffering from a wide range of disease,

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