Hey everyone, welcome to Conspiruality, where we investigate the intersection of conspiracy theories and spiritual influence to uncover cults, pseudoscience, and authoritarian extremism.

In other words, your daily news feed. I'm Matthew Remski. We are on Instagram and threads at Conspiruality Pod, and you can access all of our episodes

ad-free, plus our Monday bonus episodes on Patreon or just the bonus episodes on Apple's

subscriptions. So I want to welcome back Craig Johnson, PhD in history from the University of

California, Berkeley, and the host of the 15 Minutes of Fascism Podcast and YouTube channel

covering the global rise of the radical right. He's the author of How to Talk to Your Son

about fascism, a guide for parents and educators on keeping young men out of the extreme right wing.

We had a great conversation that we started on the Saturday bonus, or the Saturday brief, rather, and he's back

with me on Monday. Hello, Craig. Thank you. Hey, and thanks for having me back. Okay, so we're going to

talk about strategies today. Your book is called How to Talk to Your Son about fascism, and so I want

to get right to that, but I want to sort of pick up where we left off because

you know we were looking at this question of fascism being a political choice and this brings up

the issue of the agency of children right what kinds of choices are they making versus wait for them? And, you know, what happens when we

intervene? Because, you know, about mediation or intervening when we see that a kid is getting

into right-wing content online. And I think the premise there is that right-wing content online.

And I think the premise there is that right-wing content is kind of infectious, right?

It is a little bit like a virus.

And so I was pointing out that there's kind of a paradox in this project that, you know, we want to describe, we need to describe fascism as a political choice, that young people are not choosing, but that also that they're being exposed to,

you know, not, you know, according to their will, not through their consent, they're being

recruited, not because they necessarily want to go that way, but because they're having

their buttons pushed. So this is a very deep philosophical issue to start with. How do we theorize,

or how did you theorize the agency of kids and sons for this book? That's a big one to dive right

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