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Conspirituality

Bonus Sample: Hasan, Contrapoints, Ezra Klein, & The Dem Civil War

Conspirituality

Derek Beres, Matthew Remski, Julian Walker

Social Sciences, Science, Society & Culture, Philosophy

4.02.2K Ratings

🗓️ 4 May 2026

⏱️ 6 minutes

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Summary

Listen to the full episode The Democratic Party is in free fall. Still suffering the aftershocks of the 2024 election, a civil war is brewing internally between those who want to build coalitions that can win elections and those who see radicalization as the only way forward. In April, debate about whether Dems should embrace hugely popular leftist streamer Hasan Piker,or distance themselves from him dominated the discourse. A week later, two popular online personalities of the left—acclaimed transgender video essayist, Contrapoints, and artist/author Josh Citarella—sat down for an episode of his Doomscroll podcast. Contrapoints made the case for coalition building and pragmatic Democratic electoral politics. Their frank mutual criticisms of the online left outraged some. Meanwhile, NYT writer and podcaster, Ezra Klein's controversial comments on Charlie Kirk and highly-charged interviews with Ta Na-Hesi Coates and Sarah McBride (the first openly transgender person to serve in Congress) hovered in the background.  Julian clips key moments from these interactions and offers his thoughts on a way forward for Democrats as we approach the midterms and looming presidential race in 2028. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Well, my understanding is that the property owners who have properties there choose just not to rent it at all.

0:08.3

Yeah, kill them.

0:09.1

Kill those motherfors and murder those motherfuckers in the street.

0:11.8

Let the streets, let the streets soak in their fucking red capitalist bloods, dude.

0:17.8

Hello, everyone.

0:19.0

My apologies for the intensity and the language in that last clip. I did my best to clean it up just in case there were any children in earshot. That was the voice of Hassan Piker, the hugely popular YouTube and Twitch streamer who was at the center for a couple weeks in April of Democratic Party discourse around who should

0:39.8

be included in the Big Tent Coalition and who candidates would probably do best to distance themselves

0:46.8

from. Now, this all happens in the context of a Democratic Party in crisis. You know, the hits

0:53.0

just keep coming. It's like a super slow motion, thousand car pile up on a densely foggy, moonless winter night,

1:00.0

with the highway still shuddering from the earthquake of the 2024 election loss.

1:05.0

The Dems are somehow, in my conceit here, the car in the middle of it all squeezed between a digital media that has

1:12.3

trended overwhelmingly to the right, a conspiracy drunk public loss of trust in institutions,

1:18.0

the most popular American reactionary right-wing movement in decades called Maga, and a small

1:23.7

but very loud activist class, perhaps represented by folks like Hassan Piker, that

1:29.2

has landed significantly to the left, not only of a huge majority of the country, but

1:34.4

also of the minorities for whom it claims to advocate.

1:39.1

And if you think I'm exaggerating, in the last election, Trump not only won the electoral

1:43.9

college, the popular vote, all the swing states, the House and the Senate, but he also made alarming demographic gains with women, college-educated people, blacks, Hispanics, naturalized immigrants, and voters under 30.

1:58.0

Now, to be clear, Democrats still won several of those groups, but they lost ground.

2:04.5

The Democrat post-mortem on this disaster continues as a preface to any conversation about how

2:10.8

to approach this year's midterms and the looming presidential election of 2028.

2:16.1

In simplified terms, we're in something of a civil

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