Strapping for this one, it's going to be a lot. I've covered Cali Means a bunch on this podcast,

but here's a quick refresher. He's a former food and pharma lobbyist who cut his teeth as a Heritage Foundation intern.

At some point in 2021, he had an awakening, along with his sister,

Casey Means, who is the current Surgeon General nominee. Together, they wrote a best-selling book,

Good Energy, and that book pins most diseases on metabolic disease, despite the fact that

neither have any endocrinology training.

Kelly has no medical training whatsoever. The book did help catapult them the fame, and they've

become an integral part of Maha. Kelly now serves as one of R of K Jr.'s top advisors, and what I'm going to be clipping from today is a 35-minute interview he did with journalist Dasha Burns at Political's 2025 Healthcare Summit.

Kelly performs, as the title of this bonus episode states, a master class in Maha Propaganda. I'm Derek Berris, and you are listening to a

Conspirality Bonus episode, and if you are not a subscriber yet, you can become one at patreon.com

slash conspirituality or via Apple podcast subscriptions. As independent media creators, myself, Julian, and Matthew, really appreciate your support.

And before I get into the interview, I want to flag one of the recent internal battles happening over at Maha.

Politico also recently broke noons that Cali Means threatened the wellness company for spreading

misinformation about his own company, TrueMed. Quick review again, TrueMed lets consumers use

FSA and HSA, that's flexible savings account and health savings account, money to buy a

wide range of untested wellness products,

including supplements, ice baths, red light therapy devices.

Callie regularly says he found a loophole in that system,

though the IRS disagrees when they sent out a letter last year

warning people not to purchase things like

supplements from these companies. TrueMed calls the products on its site true health care,

yet most have never undergone the rigors of clinical trials to prove the health claims posted

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