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Best of the Left - Leftist Perspectives on Progressive Politics, News, Culture, Economics and Democracy

Bonus Sample #302 Satire requires a clarity of purpose and target lest it be mistaken for and contribute to that which it intends to criticize.

Best of the Left - Leftist Perspectives on Progressive Politics, News, Culture, Economics and Democracy

Jay Tomlinson

Marx, Political, Feminism, Jacobin, Left, Hightower, Politics, Counterspin, News, News Commentary, Maddow, Hartmann, Democracynow, Antiracism, Marxism, Socialism, Capitalism, Ezra, Liberal, Intercepted, Hayes, Progressive, Intercept, Intersectionality, Wolff

4.63.4K Ratings

🗓️ 5 May 2024

⏱️ 18 minutes

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Summary

Air Date: 5-5-24
Today, Jay!, Amanda, Deon and Erin discuss:
- Jerry Seinfeld blaming the "extreme left" and "PC culture" for the death of sitcoms
- how Poe's Law (and the Amanda Principle) makes creating and identifying satire difficult
- how TV shows trying to satirize the left for the left struggle to land the jokes

REFERENCES:
Jerry Seinfeld Says TV Comedy Is Being Killed By the ‘Extreme Left and P.C. Crap and People Worrying So Much About Offending Other People’

Jerry Seinfeld Is a Lazy Hack Out of Touch with the Real World—And Who Can Blame Him?

Poe’s Law and Internet Satire

In the Know (Peacock)

‘In the Know’ Showrunners Unpack Its Loving Evisceration of Public Radio, Progressive Politics

Zach Woods, NPR Fan, Reads NPR Fans for Filth

Exclusive: In the Know's Zach Woods and Brandon Gardner on Satirizing Liberals with Mike Judge

The Cleaner - S2 E5 The Statue (Acorn)

Malthusian Conception


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0:00.0

Welcome to this episode of the award-winning Best of Left Podcast. This is a sample of our recent bonus episode usually only available to members.

0:14.0

These episodes are comprised of our crew of researchers, Amanda, and myself all getting together

0:19.3

for a roundtable discussion on topics that we find interesting. So here's a few minutes for free so you can

0:24.9

know what all the fuss is about.

0:26.0

So we're using Seinfeld actually as a stealth entry way to what I think is actually a better conversation

0:39.8

about comedy and satire right now.

0:42.8

I think Dion's point is quite good about the,

0:47.3

yeah, maybe Jerry's perspective on like,

0:49.5

hey, we weren't playing characters.

0:51.2

We were, we actually just believe that stuff. Like, maybe that's where his confusion comes from. But what has been swirling for me for like months now is that Amanda and I came across a couple instances of satire directed at the

1:09.0

left, sort of moderate liberals or something like that and it made us think like we should try to analyze this a bit and

1:19.8

It sort of like made us feel uncomfortable, but not just because like, oh no, like we're being made fun of and now I'm sad.

1:29.0

It wasn't that sort of discomfort.

1:31.0

It was, there's something going on here and I don't quite know what it is.

1:34.8

And so there's the Amanda principle, first of all that we talk about pretty regularly.

1:39.3

That's where a piece of art can be simultaneously taken or weaponized by either the left or the right saying

1:48.4

this piece of art agrees with me when of course only one of those can be correct and then I went looking I was like does

1:56.5

this already exist is there something similar that helps explain comedy and

2:01.9

politics and the relationship a little bit better and again it's not perfect

2:06.0

it's not exact but pose law this is just one of those internet laws that that got coined

2:12.4

comes close again. So Po's law was coined when

2:16.1

debating on like a religious forum about or with creationists and so Po Poz Law is, without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor,

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