BONUS: Robert Greene full "Summit Interview"

The Beat with Ari Melber

Ari Melber, MS NOW

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4.6 • 4.2K Ratings

🗓️ 16 January 2025

⏱️ 39 minutes

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In this podcast extra, MSNBC's Ari Melber is joined by celebrated power historian Robert Greene joins MSNBC’s Ari Melber for a wide-ranging, in depth discussion on power in the year 2025; lessons from movements that built out support after electoral losses and government crackdowns; why Democrats should face their loss without excuses (he argues) while developing strong leadership that resists 'reacting' to Trump all the time, and how Green's acclaimed “48 Laws of Power” apply in 2025 and beyond. The two discuss seminal laws including “isolation is dangerous,” “concentrate your forces,” “appeal to self-interests,” and more To listen to this show and other MS podcasts without ads, sign up for MS NOW Premium on Apple Podcasts. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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0:00.0	Hey, this is Ari Melbert from MSNBC. Thanks for listening to The Beat with Ari Melbert Podcast.
0:04.9	We want to share some extra programming today, so buckle up and stay tuned for a special edition from MSNBC brought to you by the Beat with Ari Melburgh podcasts.
0:14.5	Donald Trump won the election. He is preparing for a second term in his untraditional cabinet, and Democrats are preparing for a lot of battles
0:21.3	where they are very much out of power. And so we turn to a student and expert on power across
0:28.4	American and global history. Robert Green wrote The 48 Laws of Power. It's one of the best-selling
0:34.9	books about power and politics of all time, and has been cited and quoted so voluminously.
0:40.9	I'll remind you some examples as we go through the discussion.
0:44.0	But the best-selling author, Robert Green, joins us now.
0:47.3	Welcome.
0:48.0	Thank you, Ari, for having me.
0:49.2	I could finally get to meet you.
0:50.5	In person.
0:51.2	Yeah.
0:51.5	Yeah, we've talked through the TV.
0:53.4	I appreciate you saying it's an honor.
0:55.0	I will remind folks just how much your work has been cited.
0:58.0	But let's get right to the election.
1:00.0	Before we apply any of your laws and teachings for the future, your view as a true historian of
1:08.0	power about what happened in the 2024 election?
1:11.8	Well, I think the Democrats became very disconnected from the everyday reality of Americans.
1:17.6	And the other thing is what I really fault often what happens with our party is we overmanage
1:25.2	candidates.
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