The St. Paul Riot and subsequent internal squabble opened a space into which insurrection

swaggered like an outlaw into a frontier saloon, eyes tight with malice.

The conventions were a moment of self-organization in which antagonism played an important role as unity.

Without the infighting, the subsequent thrill of success abroad, and the self-recognition in the flames

of Athens would not have proliferated as it did. This fact should not discourage us from

asking whether the right antagonisms were invented or the right lines drawn.

This needs some excavation for people I think like right after the the financial crisis you

have like a series of of events that happen you have very important for me at the time was

Republic Windows and doors do you remember that so Republic Windows and doors was like a

small like home wares, hardware, factory, I think in the Midwest somewhere.

And with the great financial crisis, the capitalist there like basically closed the doors on these union workers

who had, you know, decent jobs there and so the workers occupied the factory.

They took it over asking for their jobs back and if not that

severance. So that was like a big sort of like leading light moment for us but

then what's his face Alexi got murdered in in Greece by the cops right was in

2009 in it was in December 2008 wasn't it okay you would know better than me. So like we're starting to see at this moment in time because

for me personally I think for you and for like the milieu that we were in which included some of these people there was like this

ricoche effect where the financial crisis opens up this sort of like new realm of

crisis politics and we start to see things popping from like the Midwest in the United States

and then over to Greece with these great riots that break out and then soon

after that with the Arab Spring,

where you start to see sort of popular insurrections

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