This is intercepted.

I'm Jeremy Skehill coming to you from the offices of the Intercept in New York City,

and this is a special bonus episode of Intercepted.

This man is not in politics.

He's not a financier or a businessman.

Yet today, he's one of the most influential men in the United States.

Would you describe yourself as a revolutionary?

No, actually, I describe the corporations as the revolutionaries.

We are basically the institutions who are trying to upset our basic value systems.

And I mean that very, very seriously.

If you say our basic value systems are compliance with the law,

our arms-length relationship with the government, our competitive quality competition,

our concern for the neighbors, our avoidance of violent impacts on people,

and who are in effect perpetuating all these injustices?

Corporations produce most of the violence in terms of pollution and hazardous products.

They corrupt governments.

They in effect make a mockery out of competition and quality in the marketplaces.

They concentrate the economy in the hands of larger and larger corporations.

They violate laws right down the line, hundreds and thousands of them on a company by company basis.

There in effect revolutionizing the basic ideal pattern of the society.

That was a younger Ralph Nader.

He's perhaps the best-known public advocate in modern U.S. history.

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