Welcome to Think Bivocally, Conversations on Faith and Culture, a podcast from Talbot School

of Theology, Biola University.

I'm your host Sean McDow, Professor of Apologetics.

Today we have a conversation for you that I think you're going to find just fascinating.

It's a bonus episode and it's with an author and progressive Christian pastor named Colby Martin.

I reached out to him a few weeks ago

and asked him if he'd be willing to have a conversation with me.

Number one, to just model civil discourse,

but also to bring some clarity on what evangelical Christianity

and progressive Christianity have in common, but also where we differ.

We talk about issues of the resurrection, how we approach scripture, what it means that Jesus is

God, we touch on the LGBTQ issue today, and the bottom line is I think you're just going to find this so

helpful and intriguing when we ask the question what really is progressive

Christianity so as usual we really hope you'll enjoy and consider sharing this with a friend.

Now just so you know right out of the gate this is not a debate. I've had a lot of debates

before I enjoy them they're fun there's value in debate

Kobe maybe you and I will follow up and have more of a why conversation this is more of a what conversation. In other words, the whole goal here, there's really two goals. Number one, model just a civil conversation between people who differ pretty substantively on important issues and also bring clarity

where we agree and where we disagree. So my guest today is willing to come on the

show with a Christian

apologist we had never met before,

emailed you out of the blue, and so kudos to you for coming into this lane.

I know you have a background apologetics,

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