Any did you have something? I was going to ask about the common turn.

Yeah, I want to talk about the common turn too. I'm just like, you know, I'm trying to process a bit these questions of these so-called worker states or like actually existing

socialist states are dealing with the questions of breakdown theory.

I mean obviously historically there is denial speeding Grossman but then

obviously with the breakdown of the Soviet Union we you saw something like the

the real effect of that like you mentioned Cuba before

once the Soviet economic fear breaks down

you're suddenly have Cuba starving

and it arguably you could say that that led to some kind of socialist measures in dealing with that but largely it led to a kind of neoliberalization process in Cuba.

And I'm wondering like how things could go the other way. Like let's say

the socialist bureaucracies that still exist embrace Grossman and try to use breakdown to kick-start class struggle as it emerges.

I don't know what that would look like.

That's what I'm going for. Yeah, I mean that's a tough question because you get the

heart that you have to go into the whole argument of you know does a revolution have to be

external to does have to start externally to the state you know does uh... does uh...

you know a vanguard operation operation of one sort or another have to you know help to

push forward the emerging struggles on the streets and taking it in a certain direction,

or can it be a top-down thing that already exists that's already in place?

I mean, Cuba's in... It seems like the state... exists that's already

it seems like the state the state hangs on in these scenarios so it's it's kind of

you know even if the economy is breaking down the state seems to

persist to some well what let's let's look at what we have. We have state monopoly

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