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So I think now it's time to turn to this fascism issue because you've been such a major writer on it.

We've never had it before. I take the heart. It's not fascism line.

As people listening, no, I think it just really occludes what's happening. But I think in the

second Trump term, particularly with the ICE abuses that we saw all over the country, but particularly

in Minnesota,

and Trump coming in really guns blazing,

but seemed like, I think again,

this historical comparison doesn't really hold up

to even that much scrutiny,

but gangs of men working for ICE

raised the fascism question again.

But I'm curious how your thinking began on this

and how it has evolved since Trump 2.

Well, yeah, I'm just gonna say that there's a couple of different points

I'd like to make on this.

The first one is I think that we should probably be,

we should probably make a very important analytic distinction

between fascists and fascism as two different things.

My own view is that it is undenial,

like if you think about someone like Stephen Miller,

that person seems to me to be a fascist, right, in the sense that he's articulating a kind of,

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