Hi there. My name is Casey Leander. I'm a writer with a Colson Center for Christian World View

alongside my colleagues, Maria Bear, Tim Pageant, Glenn Sunshine, Shane Morris, Heather Peterson,

and of course, John Stone Street. I love what I get to do writing on culture and current events,

and sometimes I get to do fun bonus podcasts like this one.

At Breakpoint, our goal is to help Christians think critically through the questions of current

events and culture.

But our ultimate goal is for every Christian to be able to live like one.

Ideas matter.

Ideas have consequences, but the ideas of a Christian worldview only matter insofar as they're lived out in an everyday context.

To that end, in this bonus episode, I have the immense privilege of interviewing Dr. Doug Grootheis.

Dr. Grodeheis is one of the most respected Christian thinkers in apologetics and philosophy, but he's also someone who's walked through very deep valleys of suffering in his own life

and has written about it in a really powerful way. He is a professor of philosophy at Denver

Seminary and the author of a number of books, including Unmasking the New Age, Christian Apologetics,

a comprehensive case for biblical faith,

and most recently, Fire in the Streets, how you can confidently respond to incendiary cultural topics

and walking through Twilight, a wife's illness of philosophers lament.

Doug, it is really an honor to have you here.

You're kind of a Swiss Army knife when it comes to

apologetics and philosophy. I mean, you've written on a huge variety of topics, and I'm

really looking forward to our conversation today. Well, thanks for having me, Casey. I really

appreciate what the Colson Center does. And going back, you know, I'm an old guy, so I remember when Charles Colson converted to Christianity, right about the same time I did. He was older and read many of his books. I got to meet him years ago. I spoke at a board meeting for prison fellowship about 23 years ago. I got to meet him and board members and my political

hero, Jack Kemp, was there because his wife was on the board. So I have a great appreciation for

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