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The Daily Stoic

BONUS | Not Everything Has To Be Productive (with Chris Guillebeau)

The Daily Stoic

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694393, Daily Stoic, Education, Ryan Holiday, Self-improvement, Stoicism, Stoic Philosophy, Philosophy, Stoic, Business, Society & Culture

4.55.3K Ratings

🗓️ 12 June 2026

⏱️ 4 minutes

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Summary

Heading into the weekend, here’s a reminder that not everything you do has to be useful, efficient, or productive. In this bonus episode, Ryan and Chris Guillebeau talk about making space for fun, following strange impulses, and doing the small things that make you feel more alive.


Watch the full episode with Chris Guillebeau here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHyEgbTg-BA


Chris Guillebeau is the New York Times bestselling author of The $100 Startup, Side Hustle, and The Happiness of Pursuit, which have sold over one million copies worldwide. During a lifetime of self-employment that included a four-year commitment as a volunteer executive in West Africa, he visited every country in the world (193 in total) before his thirty-fifth birthday. His latest book, Time Anxiety: The Illusion of Urgency and a Better Way to Live, Chris offers a bold path for redefining our relationship with the clock.


Check out Chris’ new book Time Anxiety: The Illusion of Urgency and a Better Way to Live and grab copies of The $100 Startup, Gonzo Capitalism, The Art of Non-Confirmity,  100 Side Hustles at The Painted Porch: https://www.thepaintedporch.com


Follow Chris on Instagram @193Countries and on X @chrisguillebeau. 


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0:44.7

You have to think about how to be of service and also how to have fun and enjoy life yourself, which is also something that I don't historically do a good job of like, I want to have fun. I'm going to do, you know, I actually wrote about it.

0:56.5

It's like, like, how do I practice having fun, right? This is the whole chapter about this. And I like had the story of this guy in the Netherlands named Yon, who for like 30 years every Wednesday, he would go to Amsterdam, Schipel Airport, and book a flight somewhere within Europe, wherever was cheapest. He'd fly to Stockholm or Barcelona or somewhere, and he would just kind of hang out and he would like walk around the terminal and he'd fly back. And he never leave the airport. Never leave the airport. Okay. It's so interesting. This is what he liked to do. He just like, he found it really peaceful, enjoyable, relaxing and so on. So it's, it's so easy to criticize that, you know, be like, he never, he traveled so much and never traveled at all, right? But it's a small thing that made him happy, you know? And I think, you know, if we can all find like small things that make us happy, even if they seem weird to other people or strange or like, why would you do that, then our lives are going to be better. And I was thinking about his story one day when I went for a walk. I found this restaurant I wanted to go to that was like 17 miles from my house. I thought about it for maybe like a few days in advance, but not too long. And I was like, I should walk there. You know, I was like, I should walk to this, you know. And so one day I was like, What do I have this afternoon? Not that much, nothing that I can't do later.

2:01.9

And so I did.

2:03.0

I got like right after lunch.

2:04.3

I left and I walked like six or seven hours.

2:07.3

And it's funny because I thought, well, I'm going to try to get some stuff done on the walk.

2:10.9

You know, like make some phone calls or whatever.

2:12.4

But then your phone battery dies, you know, because you're on GPS the whole time, like, tracking. And I was like, oh, this is not going to actually be a very productive experience. But of course, it was actually

2:20.0

very meditative and kind of fun and, you know, also silly, but like, it's like, this is a thing I'm just doing for myself. And I'm not even going to, like, blog about this. I'm not like, hey everybody, I'm out on a walk for six hours.

2:29.9

You know, I'm just doing this thing.

2:31.1

And I went to the restaurant and, and then, like, went home.

2:34.6

And then, like, for days afterwards, I'm like, what a cool thing.

2:37.7

You know, what a... I'm just doing this thing. And I went to the restaurant and then like went home. And then like for

2:35.2

days afterwards, I'm like, what a cool thing. You know, what a fun thing that I did. It's a weird core memory. I bet you felt very alive. Yes, exactly. Exactly. And so there are things you can do to feel more alive. Yeah. And I have been trying to lean into that myself and I hope that other people will. Yeah, instead of going, hey, I got to cross these 15 restaurants off a list.

2:53.3

Right.

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