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True Consequences is a true crime and mystery podcast,

with stories based in New Mexico and the American Desert Southwest. I'm your host, Eric Carter Bondine.

All right. We are live. I want to, first of all, say thank you so much to Dr. Ashley Wellman, Dr. Jules, for joining me. It is extremely early where Dr. Jules is on the other side of the globe.

And for some reason, I just picked the worst possible time to have this.

But thank you for being a good sport.

Oh, it's no problem.

So welcome, everybody.

Before we jump right into this, hey, Fern.

Let's see here. We've got some people saying hi here, so we'll throw those up there. Hello. I need to give a couple of shoutouts to some people. I need to say thank you so much to my newest patron subscribers. I've got Yolanda. I've got Melissa. Thank you very much to the people that have

donated to my coffee account. Thank you for all of the good reviews and the explosion of

followers and listeners over the last week has been absolutely insane. I'm super, super grateful.

If you don't know, Dr. Jules and Dr. Ashley both did a couple parts with Robin from The Trail Went Cold about Jacob's case on the Riddle Me That podcast. I think there's maybe another part or two coming out still, an interview with me. So go check out Dr. Jules' podcast. Go follow both of these amazing women on social media. They are incredible. And Dr. Ashley and I spent some time this

morning kind of engaging with people, Twitter trolls. So that was fun. I hope they're watching. This will be good. This will be an educational event for everybody. And thanks Eric for having us. It's awesome to collaborate with such a warrior. I'm just incredibly proud of you. And you're a big inspiration to a lot of families. So thank you for having us on. That's really sweet. Thank you. Dr. Jules, you will be able to talk, but she's kind of freezing

a little bit. So if you notice that she looks a little bit frozen, it's because she is. Her internet

bandwidth is struggling to keep up with the video. So I think we can still hear you, though, Dr. Jules.

Yeah, I'm here live. I'm not a mannequin. She's beautiful either way. So it's incredibly

brilliant. So it's going to be great. This is like a I'm not a cat moment that we're having.

Yeah. Yeah. You're live. I'm not a mannequin. I am here. I'm not a cat. I'm not a cat.

So I brought you you folks here to join me to talk about something that popped up automatically.

Because of Kendall Ray's massive success in her highlighting Jacob's story, there was a lot, interesting comments that were directed at,

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