You're in for a special treat today with a bonus episode.

Daniel Decker here, co-host of the Positive University podcast.

Now this isn't our typical interview, it's more like a reverse interview with our good friend Rory Vaden.

Recently Rory interviewed John Gordon for the

influential personal brand summit and after I listened to their conversation I

immediately knew we need to share it with you. If you want to know how John got to

where he is, how he overcame the struggles along the way, this is it.

It's a really powerful interview.

Now in the coming weeks, we'll also be releasing a traditional podcast with Rory himself.

Just go over to positive university.com and subscribe so you don't miss out.

I'll let Rory take it from here.

I have to tell you this man has become one of my friends over the last couple of years and really a mentor at first from

afar and then a colleague and now somebody I would consider a close pal, a brother in Christ and

a brother in many ways in terms of what we do.

John Gordon is a best-selling author, like a real best-selling author,

like the kind of best-selling author that sells thousands and thousands of copies of books every single week, not just like once every couple years.

And he is also one of the busiest speakers in the world.

We've shared the stage several times.

You know, he's the author of the energy bus, the carpenter, training camp,

power positive leadership, the power positive team

is one of his newer books, and he's been featured in pretty much every major media, the Today Show, CNN, CMBC, and he speaks on amazing stages, works with lots of professional sports teams, the Dodgers, the Falcons,

big companies, Southwest Airlines, the Clippers, Miami Heat.

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