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๐๏ธ 26 July 2025
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After their conversation for The Daily Stoic Podcast, Ryan gives communication expert and The Next Conversation author Jefferson Fisher book recommendations at The Painted Porch.
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0:43.0 | You mentioned melancholy. Did you read Lincoln's Melancholy? |
1:00.0 | You read that? |
1:01.0 | I haven't. I don't know. I don't know. |
1:03.0 | Okay, so this is Lincoln biography of a writer. Have you read that one? |
1:07.0 | I'm not read this one. |
1:08.0 | Okay, so that's like just looking at him as a writer, which is, of course an amazing writer. Yeah, he wrote all his speeches down. So it's, it's him as like a thinker, but this is my favorite one. This is a good one. President Lincoln, you read that one? Okay, that one's incredible. That one's so good. Lincoln's virtues by Miller is also very good. But have you read Lincoln at Gettysburg? I'm not. So like my favorite fact right about that one, that there's more pages in that book than words in the Gettysburg address. |
1:34.3 | But like his basic argument is that Lincoln is making, like we think of Gettysburg as this like inspirational. |
1:41.3 | Of course. But it's actually a legal argument in which he subtly redefines what the war is about, like right in front of everyone's noses. Right. Right, like everyone thinks they're fighting to keep the union together. And he's writing actually no, he's saying, no, that we're dedicated to this proposition that all men are agreed people. And that's what we're on this battlefield. He redefined it. Yeah, Will's argument is that most of the people who died of Gettysburg would not have agreed |
2:04.6 | before the speech that that's what they were there for. |
2:07.6 | In fact, many of them were probably explicitly against that. |
2:10.6 | Very, very opposite. |
2:11.6 | But like, he's doing this beautiful thing in a lawyerly way of just redefining and then proving in the address that |
2:20.0 | hey no no are actually here right and and that that is sort of a second it becomes sort of a second |
2:25.7 | founding document but it's if you if you can see it as a legal argument from a lawyer |
2:32.0 | right a lot more sense yeah i can tell he's framing his argument. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, he doesn't mention, he doesn't mention Gettysburg, doesn't mention any of the people who fought there, doesn't mention anything about the battle at all, it's just an argument as to why they're there. That's incredible. Yeah, and the guy that spoke before him, is your point about like, they just let them do all the talking |
2:51.6 | and then, yeah. |
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