Just in Santa Maria,

Justin Santa Maria, thank you for coming on the Tech Name Ride Home.

And Justin Santa Maria, thank you for coming on the Internet History Podcast.

Thanks Brian, thanks for having me, I really appreciate it.

Let's just dive right into it.

You started at Apple in 2003.

Is that directly out of college

or what had you been doing before you joined Apple?

Yeah, I grew up in El Paso, Texas

and came out to the Bay Area to go to college in 99.

So in 2003, I joined Apple straight out of college.

I had, I think I interviewed there for six straight months looking for a role at Apple.

It was my job coming out of college was to get a job at Apple.

So you know that's an interesting thing to me.

I've only talked to a handful of Apple folks

for the Internet History Podcast,

and most of them were in the era of,

is Apple gonna make it you know right the late 90s or whatever so you

know you're kind of you would be right at that period where Apple obviously always had no problem finding talent

hiring talented people because they were Apple and they had a certain sheen even in their

worst days of you know this is where the cool kids are sure but you know so when

you're joining in 2003 that's right when the the iPod is taking off and

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