For many centuries, our society has relied upon you a jury for consideration of difficult cases.

For hundreds of years, we have recognized that a juror's deliberations, their discussions, and their thoughts, and votes should remain their private affair for as long as they wish it.

Therefore, the law gives you the unique privilege not to speak about your jury's

work. From the day in New London, Connecticut, I'm Sten Spinella, and this is looking for the Toe family.

Although at this point, you are discharged with our thanks for your six days of jury service,

and are at liberty to speak with anyone you choose about your deliberations.

Whenever we are in the throes of reporting on the Toe family tragedy, and we figure we have the available information, something else comes up.

This time it was Mani Lazada, one of the 12 jurors who put Tony Tote in prison for four consecutive life sentences.

Hello.

Hi, Manny.

Yes, hi.

Lazzada reached out to us in an attempt to strengthen our story.

He found out about the podcast after the trial and was surprised to learn that a lot of information

on the totes was suppressed in the courtroom. He returned the favor for us, letting us learn

about the intermachinations of the deliberative body that convicted Tony for murdering his family.

What you're about to hear is a lightly edited interview with Lizada and inside information

about the case that has never been aired publicly.

If we could just start, my first question for you is, um, what is your general opinion of

Tony?

And if you could also comment on this, how did the rest of your peers and the jury feel about him?

My personal opinion was that he, it was all about control.

He thought that he would control the entire trial. He had that confidence in him that

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