All right, I got a question for both of you.

Can you help speak into, you know, a lot of conversations that I have with race and friends

and communities that I'm involved with?

They're very hesitant to get into the conversation.

And they're hesitant because to get into the conversation.

And they're hesitant because of fear of saying something that's offensive.

Because they're not meaning to be offensive, but maybe something they say at some point is offensive.

And so my fear is that a lot of people are not entering the conversation at all.

So can we, I would love to hear y'all's thoughts on, you know,

basically encourage people to have the conversation.

And then maybe that'll probably allude into like a cancel culture type of conversation.

But yeah, what would you say to somebody that's just like,

how do I get into the conversation without offending someone? Yeah, I think that first thing to, is just to get your motive right, that the motive needs to be love. Let's use a metaphor. Let's say that you're trying, you want to learn

Spanish because you love Spanish, Hispanic people. But at first, you don't know Spanish well.

So then you could be like nervous that like, well, okay, I've been reading a little bit of Spanish in a book, but now I'm nervous to get

into a conversation because I might say something wrong. And if you use that fear as a reason not to

engage, then you're never going to learn Spanish. You have to at some point enter in,

motivated by love, and the purpose can't be because you want to, you know, look good in that

situation. It has to be about something bigger. It has to be about entering into a relationship

and pursuing another person who's worth, sorry, pursuing another person who's worth knowing.

Black people are worth knowing. They are not just equal, made in God's image and equal. They're

like worth knowing. Like you can, let me put this the right way, black people can give something to your

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