Hi there, you're listening to the Lazy Genius Podcast. I'm Kendra Adachi and I'm here to help you be a genius about the things that matter and lazy about the things that don't.

Today is a very special bonus episode, a conversation with Dr. Hillary McBride. You might be familiar with Hillary from her time as one of the hosts of the liturgists podcasts or from her own podcast, other people's problems.

But she has written a book that I think is essential reading for being a human. It's called The Wisdom of Your Body. And it is a transformative, kind, empowering message about what it means to live in your body.

In this episode, Hillary talks about why our bodies aren't what we look like, how to engage with our bodies in healing ways. And what it means to exist with pain and tension and let it make us more who we are.

Also, her voice is like Honey Butter. She's just the best. So please enjoy this bonus episode with Dr. Hillary McBride.

Hello, Hillary. Hello, Kendra. Oh my goodness. So good to be with you. It's so fun when interviews start like we haven't been talking for 10 minutes already.

But that was off the record stuff. Yes, it was.

All of the I was going to say the juicy stuff, but I don't want to feel like they're missing out. It was the boring stuff. Nothing important happened. We saved all the good stuff for this interview. Indeed we did. I did a survey recently and asked people like who they follow.

There are not as many people who know who you are.

Oh great. And I'm so excited.

So, what do you just tell us a little about who you are in your work? Well, I have to say that my plan for my life, which is to create public work, but remain unknown is going well so I don't know that this is how the publishers like to him.

I'm not a author, but I would love to write books and then discipline your discipline completely. So, so I'm going to have to grieve being introduced to your audience because it will I'm just joking. No, this is wonderful. I'm going to meet all of you and be introduced to you and to your lives through the sound waves of this interview.

I'm a registered psychologist, which means that I do a bunch of things. I do therapy, I teach, I research, I write, but really I think the reason I'm a psychologist because I'm really interested in being a person I'm interested in people. I'm so curious about what it means to be human.

I'm a guest, I think like many of us to figure out, how do we do this? How do we do this? And what are the points where it goes wrong and what can we do about that and how come there isn't very much to tell us how to stay with what's good and be with that and really kind of hone in on the wonderful, beautiful parts of being human in a way that helps resource us when when things are hard.

I am human, I am interested in being human. I'm interested in your experience of being human and in particular, this really vital slice to that, which is how we are in bodies as human. We are not just these astral projections or cloud bubbles or thought bubbles that float above bodies, but we have flesh, we have joints and longings and aches and illness and vibrancy and joy.

And we want to fist pump in the air when things are going well and dance at weddings and that is somehow really important to being human. So that's a big part of this slice of my work.

Did you know that one of the main titles that I pitched the lazy genius way to be was how to be a person?

Oh brilliant because it's like, I just know how to do that.

No, enter Kendra.

I know, in turn, a lot of people who in bed, I mean, we're so we're also maybe desperate as the right word, perhaps in certain seasons, we're desperate for it.

But it feels like it's the most basic thing, like just how to be a person in the world.

And yet it's so deeply complicated in many ways. And one of the things that I really love about, like you said, this particular slice of your work in talking about the body and embodiment is

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