Bonus: How the Stages of Grief Explain What You're Feeling During This Pandemic

The Art of Manliness

Society & Culture, Education, Philosophy

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🗓️ 7 April 2020

⏱️ 18 minutes

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During the COVID-19 pandemic, a lot of people have been feeling out of sorts: angry, sad, frustrated, and just plain bummed out. Part of the reason for these feelings is obvious, and part has been hard to articulate and understand. That's probably why a recent interview the Harvard Business Review did with David Kessler went viral when it named the issue point blank. Kessler said what we're all experiencing is grief. He's an expert on the subject who worked with Elizabeth Kubler-Ross, creator of the famous five stages of grief, and also added his own sixth stage to the roadmap to loss. That interview resonated so much with me and others, that I thought it would be useful to bring Kessler on the show to talk through his perspective in a short, special episode of the AoM podcast. Kessler walks us through how the five stages of grief explain how we're often feeling these days during the pandemic, and how we can also work through the sixth stage of grief, in order to find meaning in a dark time. Get the show notes at aom.is/grief.

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0:00.0	Brut McKay here and welcome to another edition of the Art of Manliness podcast.
0:11.3	During the COVID-19 pandemic, a lot of people have been feeling out of sorts.
0:14.7	Angry, sad, frustrated, and just plain bummed out.
0:17.5	Part of the reason for these feelings is obvious, part has been hard to articulate and understand.
0:22.2	That's probably why our recent interview The Harvard Business Review did with David
0:25.1	Kessler when viral when it named the issue Point Blank.
0:28.0	Kessler said, but we're all experiencing his grief.
0:30.1	He's an expert on the subject who worked with Elizabeth Kubler Ross, creator of the famous
0:33.9	five stages of grief, and also added his own six-stage The Roadmap to Lost.
0:38.2	That interview resonates so much with me and others that I thought it'd be useful to
0:41.1	bring Kessler on the show to talk through his perspective in a short special episode
0:44.5	of the A.O.M. podcast.
0:45.7	Kessler walks us through how the five stages of grief explain how we're often feeling
0:49.0	these days during the pandemic and how we can also work through the six-stage of grief
0:52.5	in order to find meaning in a dark time.
0:54.6	If the show's over, check out our show notes at a.o.m.i.s slash grief.
1:05.6	David Kessler, welcome to the show.
1:07.3	Glad to be with you.
1:09.2	So you are a grief counselor.
1:11.2	You're an expert in grief.
1:12.7	In fact, you've worked with a lot of organizations, first responder agencies during disasters to
1:18.0	help there with counseling.
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