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American Prestige

Bonus - Gladiators, Ep. 2 w/ Patrick Wyman (Preview)

American Prestige

Daniel Bessner & Derek Davison

History, Politics, News

4.8705 Ratings

🗓️ 1 December 2024

⏱️ 12 minutes

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Summary

Danny and Derek are back with Patrick Wyman, host of the Tides of History podcast and author of The Verge: Reformation, Renaissance, and Forty Years that Shook the World, for the second part of their discussion about Ridley Scott's Gladiator films. This episode explores father-son relationships, Numidia, why the original film outshines the sequel and most depictions of Rome since, the military campaigns depicted in the movies, different types of gladiators, the Praetorian Guard, treacherous personal trainers, and more. Subscribe now for the full episode! Read Patrick's piece for Slate, "The Case for Gladiator II". Be warned, this is full of spoilers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hey, Prestige Head

0:02.0

to your soul.

0:04.0

Hey, Prestige Headads, Danny here.

0:23.2

Last week, you heard our first episode on The Gladiator Movies with Patrick Wyman.

0:28.1

And here is the second episode of that discussion.

0:31.2

As always, thank you so much for listening.

0:33.3

Please subscribe, please like, and please review us.

0:36.5

And we all hope you're having a wonderful

0:39.3

Thanksgiving holiday.

0:45.0

So let's shift a little bit and talk about the dad relationship.

0:52.4

We're tapping into your other expertise here, is the dad

0:55.4

podcaster. There's a weird, to me, it was a retcon. I mean, I know people said when the revelation

1:05.0

of Lucius being Maximus's son, there were a lot of people who said, oh, duh, it's obvious in the

1:09.5

first movie. It was not obvious to me in the first movie at all. I think what you find out about Lucius is that he's

1:16.1

about the same age as Maximus's son, who's, of course, killed by the Romans very early on.

1:22.9

And in that way, he becomes like a stand-in for Maximus's kid and maximus sort of adopts him in a sense

1:30.2

like his last last thought is you know as luci's safe as he's laying there dying in the arena

1:35.3

like it becomes it's it's more of a like he's a stand-in for for the kid that maximus lost but not that

1:42.6

i think that that that exchange between Maximus and Lucilla

1:46.4

makes it clear that in fact he's not Maximus's son.

1:49.7

Like Maximus was on to his own marriage, having his own kid with his own wife at that point,

1:54.6

and the relationship with Lucilla was over.

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