There's the famous footage of the morning after the Brexit referendum votes, and it's written up that you and Boris Johnson and Michael Gove, the leaders of the official leave campaign,

were in shock because you hadn't expected to win. What's the truth? What happened is that we

were clear that I would go up to Manchester on my own and on the basis that I would take the result

because I didn't want it to be tainted by any Tory leadership

argument. We knew that whatever the result, there would be some debate. But I also always

used to say, both to Boris and Michael, once the referendum is over, I'm back on the Labour side

and you are on the other side. It is over to you

government. What happened on the night before, the last conversation we had together is

Dom Cummings saying, remember, if the turnout is below 60% we've won. If it's between 60 and 68,

they have one. If it over 68, we have won again.

So for me, the moment was that the minute the exe polls came and they said, we're looking

at a turner to 72%. I worked on the assumption that we have won. I think there was quite a shock

in terms of what that meant, not least by the

utterly, utterly unexpected resignation of David Cameron in the early hours of the morning.

So I think whilst they weren't certain about what the outcome would be, it was Cameron's

resignation suddenly totally crystallized

it. And you could argue it took them just like the country three and a half years to recalibrate.

That recalibration, I mean, there were some tumultuous days after David Cameron resigned and then

the Tory leadership contest.

What did it feel like watching as Gove famously challenged Boris Johnson then for the leadership

and then Boris Johnson quit and then Gove quit as well?

Did you worry at that point about the future of Brexit?

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