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Invisibilia

Bonus: Four-Minute Mile

Invisibilia

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Personal Journals, Society & Culture, Social Sciences, Science

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🗓️ 28 June 2016

⏱️ 6 minutes

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In a special podcast bonus, Lulu Miller tells the story about a young runner who always thought he had it in him to break the four-minute mile, until a potential change in personality made him question if he was the same runner.

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0:00.0

This is Invisibalia, I'm Elise Spiegel, and I'm Lula Miller, and we are here today with a podcast

0:06.1

bonus, that's the official sound of the podcast bonus. Okay, this is a piece that compliments our show

0:12.4

in personality and more broadly this idea that personality is less stable than you think. And it

0:17.7

takes place on a racetrack. It's about a young man who always thought he had it in him to break

0:23.8

the four-minute mile until this thing that happened to him made him question if he was the same person

0:30.8

with the same personality and therefore the same runner. Take us away Lula.

0:36.8

All right, so our contestant is a young man from Rhode Island named Mike Marcella.

0:42.2

Wait, Lula? Yeah, since this is about like a guy who's running the four-minute mile,

0:48.3

can you just see if you can do the whole story in under four minutes?

0:52.4

Well, I would, but it like it has all these characters and it spends many years.

0:57.9

But like, come on, Lula. This is a story about the four-minute mile. Just do it in under four minutes.

1:03.1

It'll be meta. On your mark, get set, go. Okay, okay. So Mike Marcella grew up in Rhode Island,

1:10.2

and he's always been really, really competitive. Like any board game I'd play with my family,

1:14.0

I couldn't lose without flipping the board. So you were that kid? Yeah, I was that kid that

1:18.8

was like, aw, crap. He got into running his freshman year of high school and by his junior year

1:23.6

of high school, that kid had almost already broken the four-minute mile. Four minutes and nine seconds.

1:28.8

Wow. I remember like sitting there and I'd count to nine. Nine seconds. What's nine seconds?

1:33.7

One Mississippi, two Mississippi, three Mississippi, four Mississippi, five Mississippi, six Mississippi,

1:41.6

eight Mississippi, nine. And yeah, he just skipped seven. I did? Yeah, we'll get to that. Okay, again.

1:48.3

One, two. So he keeps running. He gets a running scholarship to college.

1:53.7

University of Virginia. He buys a moped. There's a little red Yamaha. And one night,

1:58.5

he's driving down the hill over the bridge. There was a lot of blood. This is his dad. Please

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