Hello, listeners.

It's your host, Pete Davis here.

If you listened to episode nine, you know that we just had trust busters,

Sandeep Vahisan, and Lena Khan on the show to talk about tackling monopoly power.

We have some good news for you.

They stayed over in the Current Affairs World Headquarters studio a bit longer to chat with our social media editor, Vanessa A.B.,

who just so happened to have written a piece for Current Affairs, the print magazine,

on the new anti-monopoly movement that Lena and Sandeep are part of.

We just posted their continuing conversation over at the Bird Feed.

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extended universe with bonus interviews, bonus conversations, and more. We'll be back next week

with a new episode on this main feed, but for now, here's an excerpt from Vanessa's

continuing conversation with Lena and Sandeep. I think, you know, with the Antichist

Law specifically, they're written so broadly in such general terms that their application turns intimately on your philosophy of what the purpose of the law is.

And I think the dramatic change that we've seen from pre-Chicago to post-Chicago, and we're kind of now living the results of, is that

the underlying theory of power dramatically shifted. So when these laws were passed, and even when

they were enforced through the 60s, there was a recognition that private power, private economic

power is inextricably political, that private power

in industry has all sorts of political ramifications because it ultimately means control and dominance,

not just in the economic sphere, but also in the political sphere. And there was also kind of a positive

vision that in order for our democracy to be safe and viable, there were certain

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