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Brussels Playbook Podcast

BONUS: "Europe has to be saved from itself" - Sweden's Deputy Prime Minister

Brussels Playbook Podcast

POLITICO

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🗓️ 12 February 2026

⏱️ 29 minutes

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Summary

European leaders and defense ministers gathering at the Munich Security Conference are grappling with how to end the war in Ukraine as it approaches its fourth anniversary. But do they have any influence on how and when it might end — and on whose terms? In this bonus episode of EU Confidential, host Anne McElvoy talks to Ebba Busch, Sweden’s deputy prime minister and energy minister, who is calling for a more robust stance against Russia and insists that “Europe must now lead itself, not wait for American leadership or even wait for EU institutions.” She argues that “Europe has to be saved from itself” in becoming more agile and not being slowed down by an increasingly powerful bureaucracy. Busch’s Christian Democrats formed a coalition with other right-leaning parties, marking a shift in Sweden’s political landscape and defending conservative values on issues from immigration to energy security. Busch has also emerged onto the wider European stage, but can her forthright brand of politics make a difference in Brussels? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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European leaders and defence ministers are gathering at the Munich Security Conference,

0:05.3

grappling with how to end the war in Ukraine as it approaches its fourth anniversary.

0:10.2

But they have any influence in how and when it might end and on whose terms?

0:18.8

Welcome to EU Confidential. I'm your host, Anne Mikhailvoy.

0:22.6

Ebba Bush is a woman who doesn't mince her words.

0:26.6

As Sweden's Deputy Prime Minister and Energy Minister, she's become a prominent voice in calling for a more robust stance against Russia

0:34.6

and defending conservative values at home on issues from immigration to

0:39.2

Palestinian protests.

0:41.5

In the 22 general elections, Bush's Christian Democrats formed a coalition with other right-leaning

0:47.5

parties, marking a shift in Sweden's political landscape.

0:51.7

She's emerging too onto a wider European stage, so might we hear more of

0:56.5

her forthright brand of politics and will it make a difference in Brussels?

1:01.6

Ebba Bush, welcome to EU Confidential. Good to see you again, Anne.

1:05.9

We're talking on the eve of the Munich Security Conference. The war in Ukraine is approaching

1:10.2

its fourth anniversary.

1:11.9

You've consistently warned that the threat Russia poses to Europe is not abating.

1:17.8

Do you think the key powers in Europe, Germany, France, the UK and others, have a strong

1:22.9

enough voice to bring this to an end?

1:25.3

I believe they have if they want to, but I think Europe truly is

1:29.8

at a cross route now, not only in words, but in action now taking this seriously enough. And I think

1:37.6

coming out of just a few weeks ago, Davos, there was, if there was one positive thing to say about that week was there was more of a European

1:47.8

determination being formed during that week, now it just needs to be put into action. And we've

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