You're defining the light by being the dark.

You know, I don't think there's anybody on that show that revels in what we have to do as commanders,

but we revel in the messaging of the show.

All of our shades of gray down to dark, dark black.

You don't own me.

I know your property.

So think you're shifting little bitty eye over me.

So I tried to play Putnam as authentically as I could and tried to make them not

to think that they were behaving badly.

You know, they think they're doing something that is going to, you know, save the world. Welcome to Eyes on Gilead, our podcast

dedicated to The Handmaid's Tale. There is a lot going on in this show, and we think it helps to

talk it out after every episode, and we seize upon every opportunity to talk it out after every episode and we seize upon

every opportunity to talk it out with the stars and the creators of the show if and when the

opportunity knocks, which is what we're doing today. I'm Fiona Williams and when I'm not

doing this, I'm Head of Curation at SBS On Demand, where you can watch all episodes of

Season 5 to date. At the time of recording,

there is one more to go, and we are all hanging out for that finale when it drops on Wednesday.

Now, we do a lot of callouts to our Twitter hashtag every episode. It's hashtag As on

Gilead, as you would know. And look, it's the best thing about Twitter, especially now.

There's conversations and theories are plenty. And also, it helped us find our guest today.

Twitter brought us together because we had a listener, Troy David Johnston, make a suggestion

that we speak to Commander Putnam in the wake of his dramatic exit from the show.

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