You're listening to Knowing Faith, a podcast of Training the Church. This is a call whirley. I'm joined by my co-host Jen Wilkin and J.T. English. How are we doing y'all?

It's not been great. No, it's not. I feel like we're at a tipping point. I feel like this is a breaking point in our relationship.

J.T. has been chewing audibly into the microphone.

I did it once and it was who brought the coffee kick in?

It wasn't me.

It was Ryan, Ryan, Ryan, Ryan.

Thank you. It's really good coffee It was Ryan. Ryan. Thank you.

It's a really good coffee cake.

It's like producer Ryan.

I just had a bite.

Yeah, right then.

I don't think it's as bad as you think it was.

Oh yeah, well listen, for all the listeners out there that can hear J.T. Smacking.

I'm sorry. Let me at J.T. English.

Let me apologize. I did not know you could hear it, but I do want to think Ryan

that it was good coffee cake. Oh, there we go. Well, Ryan brought some good coffee cake, and on today's episode we get a

brought some good coffee cake and on today's episode we get a chance to chat with how did you like that turn right there

I'm a professional on today's episode we get a chance to chat with Mark

Sayers about his new book the reapp Church. Mark is a cultural commentator, writer, speaker, highly sought after for his unique and

perceptive insights into faith and contemporary culture.

He's a pastor in Melbourne, Australia.

He's written a number of books.

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