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I am so excited to have Kernan back on the show.

It's been a long time, and it's so nice to be able to talk to you.

So I hope we get to do this more often.

So welcome.

Well, thank you, Rachel.

It's good to be here again.

And so the last time we had a certain subject in mind where we were talking about these miracle

cures and how dangerous that can be. And you had also mentioned the amazing Randy and the people

who you had worked with and kind of looked up to as models of how you show the world,

sort of how you explain to the world in different

ways, you know, like with sort of in a multi-sensory way. I think, you know, Randy was really good at

that and sort of teaching lessons that are important. Well, yeah, that brings us to my subject that

I didn't broach before because I thought, well, you know, why hit that

hornet's nest with a stick? But things have changed since then. And that subject is, of course,

Scientology and our old friend, Elron Hubbard. And, you know, my basic desire for this

conversation was to talk about something that pertains to the subject of Scientology and other control groups.

And that is people who are interested in those things and that subject of mind control cults, that sort of thing.

I wanted to talk about that. And that ranges from basically 1978 when I get fair gained

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