BONUS EPISODE PREVIEW: Leaving the Prison of Shame and Fear w/ Daniel Shaw LCSW

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🗓️ 27 May 2022

⏱️ 13 minutes

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This is just a preview of our latest Patreon exclusive bonus episode. You can hear the show in its entirety by becoming a supporter at: https://www.patreon.com/indoctrination Daniel Shaw, LCSW, is a psychoanalyst in private practice in New York City and in Nyack, New York; and Faculty and Supervisor at The National Institute for the Psychotherapies in New York. His papers have appeared in Psychoanalytic Inquiry, Contemporary Psychoanalysis, Psychoanalytic Perspectives, and Psychoanalytic Dialogues, and most recently, his book, Traumatic Narcissism: Relational Systems of Subjugation, was published by Routledge for the Relational Perspectives Series and nominated for the prestigious Gradiva Award. His book Traumatic Narcissism and Recovery: Leaving the Prison of Shame and Fear was published in 2021. In 2018, the International Cultic Studies Association awarded Dan the Margaret Thaler Singer Award for advancing the understanding of coercive persuasion and undue influence. Dan returns to the show to discuss with Rachel the ideas he explores in his new book, Traumatic Narcissism and Recovery: Leaving the Prison of Shame and Fear. Together, they reflect on the current landscape of recovery in their respective fields and compare notes on the ways patients and mental health professionals can be successful in cases of cult recovery. More info on Dan's work is available here: https://danielshawlcsw.com/ You can find his latest book here: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/56844700-traumatic-narcissism-and-recovery You can hear Dan's previous appearances on the show here: https://podcasts.apple.com/am/podcast/traumatic-narcissism-in-politics-w-dan-shaw/id1373939526?i=1000507568685 https://podcasts.apple.com/am/podcast/collective-disassociation-w-dan-shaw/id1373939526?i=1000508465936 Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands

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0:00.0	Thanks for tuning in to our bonus episode preview.
0:10.2	This is just a short sample of this week's exclusive Patreon episode.
0:15.9	You can hear the episode in its entirety by becoming a member at patreon.com slash indoctrination, where you'll gain
0:24.4	access to all of our exclusive episodes and merchandise.
0:34.8	It's so nice to have you back, Dan. It's really nice to spend time talking in. Also, to be able to
0:41.3	formally announce that you were back by popular demand. Well, I am tickled pink. A little encouragement
0:48.9	never hurts at any stage of life, right? So. Right. I know it's been a, it's been an important time for you, too.
0:56.6	And I, and I heard about your new BFF, Esther Perel, who quoted you.
1:03.1	It was very exciting.
1:04.3	I have my new book mentioned in Esther Perel's newsletter, right?
1:08.9	Who knew?
1:09.8	And so, of course, here comes the plug, traumatic narcissism and
1:13.9	recovery, leaving the prison of shame and fear. And maybe that's what I'll talk about with you today,
1:19.4	is what does that mean, leaving the prison of shame and fear? And how to recover. I mean,
1:24.8	all of it. All of it is really, really important. So take it away.
1:28.4	Well, I'll tell you what I've been thinking about incessantly now for a while.
1:33.3	It began some years ago when I first studied sensory motor psychotherapy with Janina Fisher.
1:40.3	And I was introduced to the world of trauma treatments and somatic therapies, and I had not been exposed to this previously because I was psychoanalytically trained, right?
1:51.4	That began my understanding of what the trauma treatments were trying to do that was a little different from what psychoanalysis does. And so I am not in any way
2:03.4	belittling psychoanalysis. I'm very glad to have had that training. It helps me in every session in every way.
2:10.6	But when I took away from the trauma therapies, the books, the reading from internal family systems,
2:17.4	from EMDR, the different things
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