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Hi everyone, this is Pivot from New York Magazine and the Vox Media Podcast Network.

I'm Cara Swisher. Today we've got a bonus episode from our code conference.

It's my conversation with Salesforce CEO Mark Benioff.

All right, so I'm doing a little better today, although I woke this morning not able to speak,

but people keep delivering throats right at me and I really appreciate it.

None of it's working, but I appreciate it.

So I brought on Stephanie Rool, who you saw making appearance yesterday driving people crazy

from the audience. So I thought I would bring her on to talk to someone I have interviewed

dozens of times at on stage here at code, at the Salesforce Tower, all kinds of places.

He's a live wire, is how I think I'll put it.

And he's recently been quite lively. Stephanie, anything dad?

Mark Benioff, he's one of the most extraordinary business leaders today,

who cares about equality, climate, smart, good business,

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