You're about to listen to a BBC podcast and I'd like to tell you a bit about the

podcast I work on. I'm Dan Clark and I commissioned factual podcasts at the BBC.

It's a massive area but I'd sum it up as stories to help us make sense of the forces shaping the world.

What podcasting does is give us the space and the time to take brilliant BBC journalism

and tell amazing compelling stories that really get behind the headlines.

And what I get really excited about is when we find a way of drawing you into a subject

you might not even have thought you were interested in.

Whether it's investigations, science, tech, politics, culture, true crime, the environment,

you can always discover more with a podcast on BBC Sounds.

You're listening to BBC Sounds.

So, this is a little one that we're just going to pump you away

because we've done the main pod and then a little bit of news has come our way.

So we're all here, we've got microphones,

we've got a recording device,

we may as well do you an extra one.

Bernard Jackman has gone from the Dragons, which I'm...

This is going to sound really silly.

I'm actually surprised because I didn't think they would get rid of him

Until I just didn't think they I thought that if you've written out last season

if you've written out September and October of this year, where yeah, they got the wins that they needed to get,

but neither of those wins were impressive or as big as I thought they should be

What I don't know why they've done it now I can see where they've because they have become and I don't like using this word

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