Bonus Episode: Introducing Only If You Get Caught with Patrick Redford

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Comedy

4.8 • 5.3K Ratings

🗓️ 22 October 2025

⏱️ 34 minutes

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Summary

We've got one more treat for you before we'll be back with more gossip next month! This is the first episode of Patrick Redford's new podcast Only If You Get Caught.

Only If You Get Caught is about how we can better understand sports and culture by examining how humans cheat in ways big and small. Sacramento Kings fans have long believed that the NBA fixed the 2002 Western Conference finals so the Lakers would win. Patrick is joined by Tommy Craggs to discuss whether they think it actually happened.

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Show Credits

Only If You Get Caught is written and hosted by Patrick Redford.

It’s produced by Alex Sujong Laughlin, with production support from Jae Towle Vieira. Editorial support from Tom Ley and Audrey Mardavich. Justin Ellis is Defector’s projects editor. Mixing by Samantha Gattsek Show art by Jim Cooke. Jasper Wang and Sean Kuhn are Defector’s business guys. Thank you to the Defector staff.

Defector Media is a collectively owned, subscriber based media company.

Only If You Get Caught is a proud member of Radiotopia.

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Transcript

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0:00.0	What can cheating scandals teach us about the world? Defector staff writer Patrick Redford has spent his career writing about rule breakers and now he's taking into a podcast called Only If You Get Caught. Only If You Get Caught is going to cover things like, why did the NBA hand out its largest ever fine to an owner for letting his players buy private? Or what does the Varsity Blues
0:23.2	admission scandal say about the future of higher education? Only if you get caught believes that the
0:28.7	best way to learn about any competitive framework is by looking closely at who breaks the rules
0:34.0	and why. And if you love Patrick's periodic breakdowns of the chest cheating
0:38.5	scandal on normal gossip, you're going to love this show. Only if you get caught from
0:43.0	Defector Media and Radiotopia is out October 21st wherever you get your podcast.
0:56.4	Hello and welcome to normal gossip.
0:58.1	I'm your host, Rachel Hampton.
1:03.7	In each episode of this podcast, we're going to bring you an anonymous morsel of gossip from the real world.
1:07.3	Y'all, we are so close to the premiere of season nine. In case you're not following us on Instagram or subscribe to the newsletter, the next season of normal gossip starts on November 12th.
1:15.4	The gossip and guests we have for y'all, all I can say is I am so fucking excited.
1:22.0	This season is going to be a little different from previous seasons.
1:25.2	We're going to have 10 episodes as we do every season,
1:27.7	but since we're publishing during the holiday season, we have got some little breaks planned.
1:32.5	So there won't be an episode during the two weeks that include Christmas and New Year's.
1:36.9	We'll make sure to mention that as we get closer to those off weeks. And we are already planning
1:41.4	some fun stuff to keep y'all tied it over. But what that means is that y'all are
1:45.9	going to get normal gossip from mid-November all the way through January. Hopefully that'll make
1:51.4	those dark winter days just a little bit easier. But now let's get into the real reason we're here.
1:56.7	If you listen to our July bonus episode, then you'll know that this is the season of new
2:00.8	podcast here at Defector, the company that I co-own along with Dowager Queens of Gossip, Alex
2:06.0	Sujong Loughlin and Kelsey McKinney. Alex's podcast, Try Hard, launched back in July. And this week,
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