I think there are people on the left who don't necessarily think about using words and persuasion and speech in ways that move forward left politics.

But you do think a lot about the power of media and why it's important and how to use it as a component of overall political strategy. So what is the role of

left media organizations like yours? The goal is they should ideally be political centers. They

should be places where people are airing ideas, relating to ideas, that there are kind of informal

tendencies being created around ideas and currents of thoughts, but there's also competing

current of thoughts. You know, so I think the goal of a, of a publication has to be to educate

and speak to debates that are happening and make sure people are informed, not only about debates

with the left, but also about the world at large. So, for example, it might be very convenient

for us to say that things are terrible under Trump and people are suffering from joblessness.

Meanwhile, unemployment's actually going down. So how do we actually... In other words, we need

a publication that can explain things that are going on empirically, explain why workers

are still getting screwed as the economy seems to get better.

And that requires a degree of literacy in economics and not just kind of commentary and snarking about the latest thing that just happened on Twitter, on social media, or some celebrity or whatever, whatever else.

So I think being a step removed from politics is really important.