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This is a special bonus episode because last week I was in Nantucket and did an event at the Nantucket Athenium with the one and only fabulous, wonderful, Ellen Hildebrand, whose book

Swan Song I just finished and was absolutely obsessed with.

And oh my gosh, she's the most generous author ever.

And in our conversation, which I thought was going to be an interview with me, interviewing

her, it turned out she did a lot of asking questions about me. And we ended

up just having this fabulous conversation where we talked about publishing and what it means to be

an author and how to be successful and so much other stuff. And it was one of my favorite

conversations. And I think the audience liked it. And I hope you all like it. So I decided

to release it as a bonus podcast so you can learn more about her and me and everything else and

feel like you were in Nantucket in August. We can just all pretend. I hope you enjoy. And by the way,

if you don't know, Ellen Heldbrand is one of America's top authors and a New York Times bestselling author of, I think,

30 plus books. Anyway, she's been on the podcast before, and this is not an official bio, but more of an

introduction as to why you are listening. Oh, come on. You all know Ellen Hilderbrand. Bye.

Hello, Zibby. Welcome to Dan Tucket.

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