All right, everybody, I'm not going to spend too long on introductions.

You all know who Sarah Kinsey here is, the author of They New, which I believe Sarah is out in paperback now, correct? Yes, it is. You can get in paperback. You can get it. You can put it in your backpack, walk around. It feels better. Sarah, I've been willing to talk to you for a while. We've been talking about this, like getting into what all is happening.

The last time we talked was at the beginning of 2024.

I believe the episode came out on New Year's Day and you and I were lamenting what we thought

2024 was going to look like.

And it looks even more different than I think we even imagined it possibly could.

How's this year treating you anyway?

Oh, I mean, on a personal level, I don't know, that's a mixed bag.

But on a political level, it's mostly worse, but there are signs of life and movement

that I think neither of us really saw coming that

are actually encouraging, although depressing in their own right, you know, mainly the protest

movement against the genocide of Palestinians that are happening all over universities and cities

all across America and all across the world. And of course, they're being brutally

suppressed, which is the depressing part. The fact that there is this connectivity, this pushback,

this sense of moral obligation and resistance, and that it's, you know, it's tangible to

the thing we can all witness. I don't think you and I really anticipated that. And I think it's a positive development. I just worry it will end in, you know,

Tiananmen Square style tragedy. But it's still good at least to see that people, some people,

still have their conscience intact. You know, I, I, there's so much to get into on everything you just said because you're exactly right.

I think for me, and it's funny, you know, and I think you work the same way.

It's like the research we do, it's like the more that you learn about how this stuff works,

the more that when stuff actually happens, you're like, holy hell, I got that part of it.

I didn't see this other part.

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