Yeah, and just, oh sorry, Arturo.

No, I'm done.

Is, you know, I think to consider that Du Bois and other things

like Ted Allen and Nol Ignatiev, I think are profoundly right about, you know, the glue in many ways of the United States is whiteness, prevents quite a bit of, prevents quite a bit of class struggle, prevents quite a bit of multiracial solidarity

and is deeply anti-Black and things of that sort.

And so what's unique about what we find,

I think our tour and I talked a lot about this over the summer was you know in the US you've never had a mass I mean just a mass

proletarian movement for communism or anarchism right you've had the CP several tens of thousands of people join, you had the Wobblies, you know, but nothing quite gets us to the scale as the Civil War. And so, whereas in Europe had you know a lot of we had tons of communist

revolutions in the US we thought about what does struggle look like and what we

feel is that struggle look like. And what we feel is that struggle looks like black struggles

dividing all of society, right? And it might have gotten lost in the Civil war piece that it not only divides white society, it divides Latin X society, it divides all of society, you know, Asians, Arabs, etc.

And including black people as well, because black people are not a homogenous class, hence the

black, the rise of black counterinsurgency, right?

And so that division, which we see with, you know, how sometimes we'll just say it in a quick

sentence, it's white people killing other white people over the question of black liberation

or in this moment the question of do black lives matter right so white people

in mass have not killed each other in the US to abolish a capitalism per se but

they have killed each other in quite large numbers, i.e. the civil war, over the question of where do black people belong in this so-called country, the United States.

And so that logic keeps reappearing, right? It appeared again in the 1960s, and now it appears once again in the 2020 uprising.

And so there's a lot of, think crass mapping on of European struggles to the United States and what we're trying to do in the tradition especially of CLR James is try to decipher without being American exceptionalists,

but trying to decipher.

I think every country has this unique form of struggle

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