Hello, Prestige Head

Hello, Prestige heads, and welcome to American Prestige. I'm Danny Bessner, here as always with my friend and comrade, Derek Davison. And I am very excited, and I assume Derek is, but frankly, I haven't asked him. I am very excited to welcome to the podcast today, my friend Ross Barkin.

Ross is a columnist for New York.

I can go either way on it, frankly.

Derek, Derek, Dan Bill.

I'm very excited.

He told me.

Ross is a columnist at New York Magazine.

He's a contributor to the New York Times Magazine.

He's the editor-in-chief of the Metropolitan Review,

and he's also the author of the recently

released an excellent glass century, a novel about New York, as well as what we've invited

him to talk about, his recent essay collection, Fascism or Genocide, which has been released

with Verso. So, Ross, first of all, thank you so much for joining us. Yeah, thank you for having

me very excited. We've corresponded quite a bit, but now we're at least virtually meeting and getting to talk. So I'm definitely... Well, this is a little how the sausage is made. Derek and I did a podcast for three years before we met in person. So, you know, anything can happen in this new digital age.

I just think there's no drawbacks to tech personally. I think this is just future forward,

everything going well. But yeah, no, it's an honest pleasure to meet. And we'll definitely

hang out next time I am in my old hometown, New York City. So, Ross, there's a lot to get into

with this book. but maybe I think

an easy place to start is the title. Where did the title come from? Obviously, I think people

will understand its residences with the fascism debate and the genocide in Gaza. But beyond that,

why this title, and what do you think it reflects about this

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