Hi I'm Alice and Sandy. I'm Brian Seymour and I'm Sally Leiden.

Welcome to episode five of conversations and this episode is very exciting as our

investigation heats up.

Sally and Brian are actually in the UK at the moment.

Without giving too much away, tell our listeners why we're headed there.

Well, we're headed here to chase a number of fresh leads exciting leads and Europe is a place

that sadly the authorities haven't invested well really any resources in

physically coming here and well since we've started this journey we thought it was

high time Sally came here and Sally it's proving to be well worth the effort I think.

Oh for sure, like this had to be done.

It's 100% necessary to get that, you know, that box ticked off and go and check out the lead that we have, which is the lead in my opinion so you know it's still something we have to work on but you know

we've come a long way and it's I tell you it's something I've never done in my life like this has been

crazy you know 4 a.m. starts 1 p.m. getting to bed and then you know coping with jet lag and

flying all over the place it's been crazy days but you know it's definitely something that

needed to be done and I'm really

grateful for the opportunity. You can sleep when you're dead sell that's terrific it's

really good and I know Brian would be used to it that's for sure I think he's

been actually doing it since we started this podcast but yeah no that's

terrific and we won't go into what happened but you have gone to Tumbridge Wells

and actually reported your mom which is terrific and my understanding from

because obviously speaking to the police before I got there is that they hadn't had any

contact whatsoever from authorities anywhere else is that is that your understanding? Yeah. what so we're

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