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Hey, Escalation listeners. Tyler McBrion here with another bonus episode.

This time you'll hear our conversation with Evelyn Farcus.

She was the Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Russia, Ukraine, and Eurasia

and the Obama administration.

Evelyn takes us on a deep dive on the U.S. response, or lack thereof, to the Russian invasion

of Crimea.

Here it is.

I'm curious what Euro-Maidon was like watching that unfold. And we can get obviously Crimea a bit later on, but I'm just, what are the ripple

effects of seeing first all the Yanukovych stuff, he flees, but then the response in the streets.

Could you just describe sort of your vantage on that and your impressions of watching it unfold?

I mean, I think it was, well, it was really an interesting moment because we saw the Ukrainian people really standing up for their interests. It was

kind of like 2004, the Orange Revolution again, but much more determined. The people said we're not

leaving the Maidan until we have no kidding, hardcore political commitments. In fact, I think they

stayed beyond the elections. They were there

quite a long time because I made several visits and there were still people camped out on the

Maidan. So I think that to us was a sign that the civil society was much more robust than

we had understood. I think it was incredibly impressive to watch how the Ukrainians came to the aid of their soldiers

who were fighting to try to defend the rest of Ukraine that was not occupied.

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