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Thanks so much for listening to this bonus podcast material. I'm talking with Lisa Whittle today. Her book is

titled Jesus Over Everything, Uncomplicating the Daily Struggle to Put Jesus First.

And Lisa, I love that you say, it's not actually self-serving to want to use your gifts,

but wanting people to love you because of those gifts is.

So say more if you would.

Make the distinction for us.

Well, it's really, one, it's empty.

It's empty because at the end of the day, we know that what fills us up the most is serving people.

I mean, think about the times that we have served someone, how much that's filled us up.

The spotlight in the end is really not fulfilling.

You know, we think that it's going to feel good, and it really, in the end, is not what fuels us.

So, yeah, the difference is really just the heart motivation.

It's not that God's never going to use us in some type of spotlight.

And let's not get too technical with it or really too literal with it is what I mean.

We don't have to imagine a spotlight, us standing in a spotlight,

because the truth is, most of us aren't going to live a life that is in some kind imagine a spotlight, us standing in a spotlight, because the truth is,

most of us aren't going to live a life that is in some kind of a spotlight on a stage.

The spotlight just meaning people noticing us, us wanting to be known for whatever it is that

someone else thinks is a big deal, right?

And so, I mean, that's kind of the culture that we live in.

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