Hi, I'm Susie Larson.

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It's only just a matter of time.

It's what the matter of heart to sing.

So the back row is you glide because walking just won't do dance.

You don't have to know how to ever since, ever since we've got you left. To your whole side's hurting. Ken, thanks for hanging on for a few extra minutes. We sure appreciate your time. And in the book, you make this distinction between when the enemy is at work and when the spirit is at work. I want to talk about some of those examples. So, for example,

when the spirit is at work, all glory goes to Jesus. When the enemy is at work, all glory goes to the

people. Isn't that the truth? How many times have we been burned by people who said they were Christians?

And it's really easy to tell who's who, just from that. So many people, and I tell you, boy, since I've taken over promise keepers, there is a business of Christianity that turns my stomach. It's one of the reasons. Yeah, I'll bet. You see it all the time. It's one of the reasons I said nobody gets on the stage of promise keepers unless I know them. I know their heart.

I've prayed with them.

I've talked to their wife because there are so many slick speakers who are up there for a business and then they're not.

I'll tell you, whoever you see a promise keeper is going to be a godly person.

How do you know?

It's humility.

Man, there's just something about a man who's really

been taking the control of by the Holy Spirit. There's just no ego there. And unfortunately,

there's not that many people like that around right now.

You are so right. And one of the things I've talked about continually on this show is just

kind of speaking out against American Christian celebrity because it just

flies in the face of what the gospel is about.

I mean, and I'm sure that there are plenty who start out the right way.

When you even think of the disciples where Jesus is talking about going to the cross and the

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