Hey in the dark listeners, I wanted to take a moment to tell you about something I'm really excited about,

that we're releasing online today.

For the past year, a team at the New Yorker has been working alongside us on a visual

exploration of what happened that day in

Hidditha. It's an interactive documentary called

Cleared by Fire. You can find it at New Yorker.com

slash season three. This project is a totally different way to look at this story. It's fascinating.

It unfolds almost like a movie. You can watch and immerse yourself in the stories of

what happened that day from different perspectives, like the perspective of the squad leader Frank

Wuterich or the perspective of 11-year-old Safa.

And it's all done in a way that's sensitive, not overly graphic.

It's an incredible work of journalism and I'm excited to bring in one of the

key people behind it to tell you a little bit more about it. His name is Sam Wilson and he's

the co-director of the project along with his colleague David Kofal and he joins me now.

Hi Sam,

Hi Madeline.

So glad to have you with us.

Can you explain for people listening what it is you do with the New Yorker?

Sure, so I'm the interactive visual features editor at the New Yorker,

which basically means I work on web interactives

or virtual reality documentary storytelling or something like this, what we're going to talk about today.

So tell me a little bit more about this project.

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