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gets out to as many people as possible. Thanks. All right, once again, I am pleased to be joined by Adi Robles and John Harris. I'm the

host for this conversation, Pastor Joel Webbin with Right Response Ministries. And we're going to

speak in this episode about nationalism. I'm going to talk about Christian nationalism. We're going to talk

about pacifism, war, just war theory, the whole nine yards.

But first, basically, we want to try to climax into the conversation of what are the criteria

for just war and not just for individuals with conflicts, but nations going to war.

We'll liken this to Russian Ukraine or China, Taiwan, and some of the relevant issues in our day.

But first, we have to argue because the world has lost its mind for the legitimacy of nations to begin with.

We have to argue against pacifism.

That it's not a biblical principle.

And so we're going to start with nationalism first.

Nations being biblical. And there's a good kind of nationalism and there's a bad kind of nationalism. Me and John were just talking about

this before we started recording. So John, pick up where we were talking. Yeah. So in order to get to

just war theory, just like we would talk about violence and adjudicating conflicts between

individuals, we have to know that there's individuals and there's actually a certain sense

of worth, they have possession, they have things they can own.

There's a whole set of assumptions to even approach the question of like, how do you adjudicate

things?

So when it comes to just war theory, we're talking about nations in conflict. Well, if you don't believe that there should be nations or that there are nations,

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