BONUS: : Chris Lane and Matt Martens on the WM3 & Criminal Justice System

Devil and the Deep Blue Sea

Christianity Today

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🗓️ 27 August 2025

⏱️ 65 minutes

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Mike Cosper and Rebekah Sebastian sit down with Chris Lane, District Attorney of Floyd County, Indiana, and Matt Martens, a Washington, D.C. defense attorney and author of Reforming Criminal Justice: A Christian Proposal. Together, they unpack the tensions between prosecution and defense, the challenges created by systemic limitations, and the unique factors in the West Memphis 3 case that frustrated and bewildered so many of us. We’re grateful to Chris Lane and Matt Martens for joining us for this illuminating and generous conversation. Please consider liking the DDBS Facebook page to keep up on all show news, livestreams and for conversations with other listeners. Devil and the Deep Blue Sea is a production of Christianity Today Hosted and written by Mike Cosper Produced by Rebekah Sebastian, with production assistance by Dawn Adams Sound Design and Mix Engineer: TJ Hester Sound Design, Animation, and Video: Steve Scheidler Graphic Design: Nim Ben Reuven Music by Dirt Poor Robins Erik Petrik and Mike Cosper are the executive producers of CT Media Podcasts, and Matt Stevens is our senior producer. If you enjoyed this episode, please leave us a rating and review to help more people find the show. Thanks for listening. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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1:10.9	This story contains sensitive content including sexual abuse, child murder, and dark spiritual
1:16.7	themes.
1:17.6	It may not be suitable for all listeners. Welcome to a bonus episode of Devlin' Deep Bousie.
1:35.3	I'm Mike Cosper and I'm joined by my co-producer Rebecca and Sebastian.
1:39.3	Hey Mike. I'm so excited about this one. I've been actually looking forward to it for weeks.
1:45.4	Today we talked to two men, both lawyers, but they sit on, at least at this very moment, different sides of the courtroom.
1:52.5	Yeah, I've been excited about this one, too. What don't you say a little bit about these folks, and I can talk about how I've been connected with them in the past.
2:00.5	Yeah, so we sat down with Chris Lane and Matt Martens.
2:03.0	Chris is a prosecutor in Floyd County, Indiana, and prior to that, he was Floyd County Chief Deputy,
2:08.2	and he's worked in that DA's office since 2005.
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