Welcome to a special edition of the Breakpoint podcast, a special bonus episode.

It is always informative, sometimes inspiring, but instructive to talk to the one and only

Carl Truman, whose writing really, I think, has positioned him as one of the most helpful,

certainly prolific, but helpful, I think, has positioned him as one of the most helpful, certainly prolific,

but helpful, I think, theologians of today. And I'm not just blowing smoke here, Carl. I'm a big fan, as you know. The rise in triumph of the modern self was a milestone. It was profound.

It put a lot of things together for an awful lot of people.

And also the shortened version of that was super helpful. But now you've done it again, I think,

with a new book called The Desecration of Man. Carl Truman, of course, is a professor of biblical

and theological studies at Grove City College in Pennsylvania,

also a consistent contributor to First Things and publishes and speaks widely, including often

for us at the Colson Center. Carl, always good to be with you.

It's great to be with you, John. You always make me feel so good about myself when you're giving me an introduction.

I need you to talk to my wife.

You know, we have had our public disagreements over, you know, the helpfulness of world view and the clunkiness of some replacement term you want us to throw in like social imaginary or something like that.

And honestly, I think as I was able to read an advanced copy of the desecration of man,

I made a worldview joke because I thought there was some good worldview stuff here.

Well, if that's all you want me for, I'm signing off right now.

No, no, listen, there's a number of things that I wanted to bring up about this.

I love this book.

I think it is in the spirit of the Rise and Triumph, the Modern Self.

You have spent an awful lot of your theological and philosophical writing, talking about anthropology in some form,

and anthropology in modern culture. This is no different, but I think you take it a step further

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